Wood Duck - Apricot Mutation

parvo · **Joined:** Sat Jan 02, 2010 7:39 pm **Posts:** 735

doggo wrote:

Thanks for that interesting account Parvo. The emergence of novel colour forms in wild populations gives us an insight into the workings of genetics and evolution.

Do you think that this particular colour form is the result of a recent mutation or might it have been floating around in the background for many thousands of years?

Thanks doggo,

I am glad you see this for what it is- an interesting freak of nature.

Given that the same coloured form has been seen in at least 2 states and on more than one occasion, I think that the mutation gene has been in the population for some time, but only appears sporadically.

I am really surprised by the stink this has created. It's just a mutation. What's the big deal? They happen in all organisms with differing frequencies. Why does one appearing in a wood duck have to be a hybrid?

Weston · **Posted:** Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:54 pm

parvo wrote:

Not everything is on the internet Weston;

Yes I know but with the alleged occurrence in 2 states I would have expected some documented evidence.

parvo wrote:

If you watched the video you could see the flock of wood ducks on the golf course. There were no domestics hanging around. I also have an ornithologist friend who went to see the bird and he also did not see any domestics hanging around; it was also his opinion that it was a wood duck mutation.

What video? As I asked previously do you or the ornithologist friend know the history of this flock? have their movements been traced throughout the generations? I would say NO

parvo wrote:

You have still not shown me a photo of a hybrid Australian Wood Duck with a domestic duck.
If they existed they would be found more commonly as wood ducks are so common around farms and waterways where domestic ducks exist. If they were fertile, then the wood ducks would be contaminated with domestic duck blood, much as the mallards have contaminated many populations of black ducks.

I have shown you evidence of a wood duck hybrid now you specifically ask for an "australian" wood duck hybrid picture as evidence, ok so where is your evidence to support your claims? I have yet to SEE 1 piece of evidence all I read are your words and an alleged opinion from your friend. Do you have 1 piece of tangible evidence? 1 piece of document? geno test?

parvo wrote:

There is no evidence of this occurring. If you doubt me then just ask Birds Australia, the premier ornithological organisation in Australia.

You can't be seriously suggesting that birds australia or any ornithologist know every waterway and every wild duck in australia to then state there is no occurrence of this hybrid.

parvo wrote:

There is no evidence of this occurring

There is no evidence of this so called "mutation" occurring either, you can't have it both ways Parvo

parvo wrote:

Are you seriously suggesting that somebody has bothered to go to all that trouble to achieve this? The original bird was found as a duckling and is still producing offspring. There haven't been enough generations produced to achieve what you are suggesting.
Basing your comments about "top skull size" on a photo might be misleading. Why don't you ask to see the bird for yourself so you can make a first-hand judgement rather than basing your comments on a photo?

I have never suggested anyone bothered to create a hybrid of this nature, never said that at all. My comments are not misleading they are based on what I see and on comparisons to pure australian wood ducks of the same sex and apparently others also see by the many PM's I have received.

In the absence of evidence we can speculate on the real possibilities of this being a mutation or a hybrid. I am alway open to the possibilities, are you?

Weston · **Posted:** Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:27 am

parvo wrote:

I am glad you see this for what it is- an interesting freak of nature.

Prove it? just because Parvo says so does not make it fact, sorry.

parvo wrote:

Given that the same coloured form has been seen in at least 2 states and on more than one occasion, I think that the mutation gene has been in the population for some time, but only appears sporadically.

Again, do you have any evidence to support this?

parvo wrote:

I am really surprised by the stink this has created. It's just a mutation. What's the big deal? They happen in all organisms with differing frequencies. Why does one appearing in a wood duck have to be a hybrid?

You offer no evidence and yet you say its a mutation, that is the question Parvo and no its not a big deal I doubt very few will care about an untidy white duck, its the principal we are discussing

ColacWaterfowl · **Posted:** Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:23 pm

parvo wrote:

I am, however, interested in presenting the facts, not just accusatory negativity.

I think you are a little rude there parvo and off track, we are all interested in the facts but you are yet to present them so please as Weston asked manytimes present the facts with proof. As we have no idea who you are you would understand we cannot just take your word as gospel. If you own that duck pictured then please say so even though we all still won't know who are its a start.

doggo · **Posted:** Sat Apr 27, 2013 3:06 pm

Weston, do you propose Mallard derived or Muscovy domestic ducks as the source of the suggested hybridization?
What evidence do you have to support your contention that the Australian Wood (Maned) Duck Chenonetta jubata is at all prone to hybridize with species in other genera?

Weston · **Posted:** Sat Apr 27, 2013 3:21 pm

doggo wrote:

the Australian Wood (Maned) Duck Chenonetta jubata

Correction... The Australian Wood Duck, Maned Duck or Maned Goose not Australian Wood (Maned) Duck, since we are presenting the facts

TooHonkGeese · **Joined:** Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:13 am **Posts:** 26

Genera won't stop one species from mating with another if it's physically possible especially involving a domestic duck breed like calls

doggo · **Posted:** Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:30 pm

Weston wrote:

doggo wrote:

the Australian Wood (Maned) Duck Chenonetta jubata

Correction... The Australian Wood Duck, Maned Duck or Maned Goose not Australian Wood (Maned) Duck, since we are presenting the facts

Weston; Are Simpson and Day wrong to list this bird in their book "The Claremont Field Guide to the Birds of Australia" under the heading "Australian Wood ( Maned) Duck"?
Is there such a thing as a "correct" common name?
Is pedantry useful?
Do you intend to answer the questions I posed in my previous post?

Weston · **Posted:** Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:01 pm

TooHonkGeese wrote:

Genera won't stop one species from mating with another if it's physically possible especially involving a domestic duck breed like calls

Your right Genera is a human term ducks have never heard of :lol:

ColacWaterfowl · **Posted:** Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:00 pm

Weston wrote:

TooHonkGeese wrote:

Genera won't stop one species from mating with another if it's physically possible especially involving a domestic duck breed like calls

Your right Genera is a human term ducks have never heard of :lol:

Especially Mallards :-D

but Decoys and Runners are not far behind

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